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Discussion: Wolf hunting proposal

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Real Predator Control

Hey-you want to hunt wolves? Go ahead. Only do it with whatever weapons you were born with, nothing artificial. No rifles or other firearms, no knives, traps, snow machines, 4-wheelers, binoculars and most of all, no helicopters. Just you and the wolf. Up close and personal. Now there's a form of predator control I can really get behind.
new michael_boshears | March 9, 2007 - 8:02pm

Wolves vs. Moose

You folks that are against the wolf-kill program need to really go to ADF&G and look up the reports for yourselves. We have a place in Willow and have had it for the past 20 years. We never had a problem getting a moose a year for the freezer until about 5 years ago. Alot less moose in the area where we normally hunt. Then two years ago for the very first time a wolf appeared in our yard no less. He seemed to be a loner but he was still there. We had never seen one out there or any traces of them before. We are close in to town and near the train tracks so it isn't like we are way out in the woods.
new zinger | March 9, 2007 - 2:56pm

Stop Using the Wolf as the Poster Child of PETA

Anchorage dictates by votes what the rest of the state of Alaska can or can not do, due to the sheer numbers of people living there who vote not based on biology, but on touchy feely emotions.it is ballot box biology at it's worst.animal rights groups have used the wolf as their poster animal to tug the heartstrings and purse strings of the population who see the wolf as the victim of the battle between hunters who are portrayed as lazy or evil and wolves who are great god like creatures in competition for moose meat.wolves will never be hunted to extinction in Alaska,thats a fact! taking a few wolves and bears who prey upon moose will increase the moose populations for the short term and balance out the ratio of wolves and bears to moose and man.when wolves and bears have nothing left to eat they will prey upon their own and wipe themselves out as well, thats another fact the anti hunting crowd hides.nature is far more cruel than the kinder gentler hand of man adjusting the numbers to sustainable ratios of predator to prey.
new akstrawman | March 9, 2007 - 12:57pm

Who's Balance

I've never heard that wolf control was to improve balance, only moose numbers. ADF&G never said moose would be eliminated either, only that everyone that wants one can not harvest one - so with wolf control you swing the balance to favor man. Unfortuntely laws prevent swinging the balance to help those depending on moose in rural Alaska. Maybe if that were the focus of the effort it would have more support. But as long as it is designed to help Anchorage and Fairbanks hunters, only radical hunters will support it. I cann't recall when PETA was really involved rather than just having their name used. When was that?
new info9 | March 9, 2007 - 2:27pm

Helicopters??

I have to say there are much better uses for the money. Aren't the boroughs unable to pay for PERS? Haven't we raised taxes on cruise ships which may hurt tourism? Aren't there lots of more pressing needs for the money? And yet the State would spend monies on helicopters, let alone for beginning the aerial wolf hunt? Helicopters!!! If Alaskans didn't look like ignorant backwoods hicks before, we surely will now.
new russnewell | March 9, 2007 - 12:55pm

Who Cares ?

Who cares what those outside our state think of our State wildlife programs which are based on sound biology? some of you look more like ignorant city slickers who base their votes upon ignorance and emotions than we do back woods hicks.

new akstrawman | March 9, 2007 - 1:05pm

Alaskans Care

Was it outsiders that voted twice to stop airborn sport hunting of wolves. Sound science has been hidden by ADF&G and the Board of Game has even approved wolf control when ADF&G said they could not justify it. Is that your sound science. Do you think wolf control will ever stop. I don't. There will always be pressure to make it easier for hunters, which makes me want to take my goat, deer, sheep, bear and other mounts off the wall, even though many of then were taken with a bow and arrow.
new info9 | March 9, 2007 - 2:15pm

Wolf Hunting

Is Mat Robus finally admitting the objective of wolf control is to get moose populations so high that in a bad winter they will crash. Should that really be done for sport hunters.
In 2000, ADF&G found the McGrath moose population to be increasing without any wolf control. To now say that increase is "BECAUSE" of wolf control is a deliberate attempt to mislead the public. Just saying that calf ratio's are increasing is not proof that the wolf control is the cause if the increase. After all it's been proven numerous times that bears take 80%+ of moose calves, not wolves.
If Governor Palin disregards the two, soon to be three initiatives saying no to airborne wolf control and she allows this to happen, I think impeachment would be in order, due to acting for a limited number of Alaskans and not the State in general.
new info9 | March 9, 2007 - 12:03pm

The Majority of Voters Live in Anchorage

so they dictate what takes place for the whole state. that is communsim.
new akstrawman | March 9, 2007 - 1:11pm

The BOG Process is More Communistic

Is allowing the 7 people on the BOG to tell the entire state to shove it more communistic than a voting process? Is having only one party represented in the decision process communistic or democratic?
new info9 | March 9, 2007 - 2:20pm

Wolf Hunting

I think that our money can be better spent elsewhere. If the hunters can't get them on their own ..oh well.
new zinger | March 9, 2007 - 11:31am

Wolf Hunting
I think this is disgusting. As a third generation Alaskan I'm ashamed and embarrassed that our state continues to fund this hideous practice. I've watched documentaries on aerial wolf hunting and it sickens me. The moose population isn't endangered - there is no need to needlessly murder these beautiful wild animals.

What are we doing to our precious nature? I was reared with that free spirit, love nature, protect Alaska spirit like most who live there, but right now I'm disgusted by what my home state continues to do.

Gov. Palin please hear the hearts of those who reside in Alaska and those who call it home. Please do not authorize the continued destruction of one of nature's most needed hunters.
Nature will take care of itself if man will just step aside and get the hell out of the way. Stop interfering with nature.

You'd be surprised at how well she'll take care of herself.
new ericalyn | March 9, 2007 - 9:59am

Mother Nature is Far More Cruel than Man

you have never seen a grown wolf devour a pup or a boar bear devour a cub due to hunger or sexual propagation? how about diseases which will wipe out packs of wolves due to over populations? mother nature is way more cruel than mankind.
new akstrawman | March 9, 2007 - 1:16pm

Misuse of Resources

no matter what ones opinion of this program, using excessive state resources is not prudent. This is NOT to the benefit of the majority. I have no problem with the program being conducted with contracted pilots, but it is not to the benefit of the majority of Alaskans, and we should not be allowing this kind of resource commitment to this program.

vinni86this | March 9, 2007 - 8:41am

What Majority?

you mean those who reside in Anchorage? since they can outvote anyone else in the state by sheer numbers does not make it right either.most who live in los anchorage have never seen a real wild wolf except on tv.
new akstrawman | March 9, 2007 - 1:18pm

This is Very Sad

This is very sad and an embarrassment once again for the state of AK. I live in rural SC for 30 years and have only seen a wolf one time but see tracks from time to time. I am out there a lot. Now we got the sport hunter crowds needing state assistance! That is so funny. Shoot your own wolves. Sure its hard, but this is AK.

The other issue is even more nefarious. More moose mean more moose on higways around glennallen, tok towards Valdez. Frankly I enjoy low moose numbers as the road are so much safer than they used to be. As moose numbers increase once again, so will road kills of moose, humans, and SUV's..

Our board of game is a good old boy system based on killing wildlife and is controlled strongly by outside trophy hunting special interest groups. Times have changed and we need something fresh.

We do "ballot box economics", so what's wrong with "ballot box biology"?
chalet | March 9, 2007 - 7:57am

Ballot Box Biology

the problems with ballot box biology are many. here are few of them. the amount misinformation
put out by the animal rights industry is incredible.one example of it is john toppenbergs lie that it is being done for out of state hunters in unit 13. many false claims are made by the animal rights industry that wolves are under attack across the entire state and that they will be hunted to near extinction! the truth here is they are only going to be reduced in certain areas that are used by
by people who want more moose to feed their families. if you want to see an area that is mismanaged the way that the animal rights geniuses want look at denali national park. 30 years ago it was a wildlife paradise.
now because no predator control it has become more like a biological desert with a few habituated wolves for the tourists to take pictures of.
new mdubo | March 9, 2007 - 11:36am

Your Correct !

Someone else gets it right on here,I agree ballot box biology will never work.
new akstrawman | March 9, 2007 - 1:20pm

False Information

You say this is ballot box biology, which is true but the ballot box is the legislature that listens to AOC lobbyists and not the people.
You also say this is an animal rights issue, but Alaskans have voted against airborne sport hunting of wolves twice - that's Alaskans talking, not outsiders.
I wonder if you know that in 2000 ADF&G reported there were enough moose near McGrath, but the low bull cow ratio is why hunters were not finding bulls to shoot. That report was buried. Isn't that the real ballot box biology.
The only ones talking of hunting wolves to extention are those supporting wolf control, as it is an easy way to say those that oppose it don't know what they are talking about. Show me an article against wolf control where fear of extention is used.
I think this whole program is pushed by Alaska Outdoor Council and hunters that want to make hunting easier for them. If it was truly about feeding needy families actions would be taken to give those in need a preference to use a public resource. Until that is done, this is only a for lazy sport hunters.

new info9 | March 9, 2007 - 12:12pm

Your Spreading False Information and Propaganda

No hunters wish to see the wolf hunted to extinction.and as far as Alaskans who have voted the majority live in Anchorage, and they can dictate from there by sheer numbers what the rest of alaska can or can not do.that is ballot box bilogy.
new akstrawman | March 9, 2007 - 1:23pm

Ask and You'll Receive

I can send copies of the AD&G reports to anyone that sends me their address - if that's proper in this forum.
new info9 | March 9, 2007 - 2:33pm

Wolf Hunting

Instead of bambiologists representing outside interests using the wolf as a poster child for there begathons, sound biological data gathered by paid professionals supports the views of most of the boots on the ground at ground zero. Perhaps the pavement pounders spending more time closer to the problem instead of watching the Discovery channel or walking further to the grocery store might allow more informed opinions.
My wife and I have spent the majority of our life maintaining our presence here and being able to occasionally hear and see wolves is a part of being here. If I thought the hunting or trapping of wolves I do or the states control program endangered there long term presence I would be against it. I am not against it because management based on sound biological data is the key instead of allowing politcal pressure fueled by input from people far removed from the problem. I can see your view of the problem with sattelite TV and the inernet but it is hard for you to see our view from the pavement.
Bob Dreeszen
Outlet Lower Ugashik Lake AK
rdreeszen | March 9, 2007 - 6:31am

Wolf Hunting

Why do you people keep messing with Mother Nature? AND the SPIRIT WORLD...be it human, animal, nature, etc? When will you start looking on the bright side - enjoy with all your hearts, minds and souls the beautiful gifts that GOD has given us and stop trying to get ahead while screwing everyone you can in the process. IT MAKES NO SENSE - it is so much easier to just be nice and kind and considerate and caring - treat people with respect and animals and nature. Stop everything you are doing to smell the roses or any other fragrance that you have available to you - sit back relax and let your mind wander wherever it chooses to go - think - only good thoughts and the bad may disappear...
Call your own town meetings while you are in that state, talk about what you are feeling - pay attention you may - be suprised what you could discover...and then we could share, rationally,what we have each come away with. Thank you for your time
Love,
Mary :>)
marys82 | March 9, 2007 - 3:55am

Couldn't be Happier

That the program is behind schedule. People in Alaska got by for years without high tech ways to kill wolves to raise moose populations. There's no reason people should be needing wolf control now.

Spend government money on subsidies for villagers to buy meat. Not state helicopters to kill animals considered 50 times smarter then dogs.
flembri | March 9, 2007 - 3:03am

Bollocks

wolf control is needed now,reduce their numbers so they do not have to let mother nature do it for them.
new akstrawman | March 9, 2007 - 1:26pm

Couldn't be Happier

That the program is behind schedule. People in Alaska got by for years without high tech ways to kill wolves to raise moose populations. There's no reason people should be needing wolf control now.

Spend government money on subsidies for villagers to buy meat. Not state helicopters to kill animals considered 50 times smarter then dogs.
flembri | March 9, 2007 - 3:03am

 

 

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